This post got its start from the following exchanges on Twitter:

(from @robertniles) RT @howardowens If news is essential to democracy, shouldn't it be free to the people who read it and need it to be informed citizens?

Robert Niles describes himself as a California website editor and journalist.

Howard Owens runs an online-only publication called The Batavian, which serves the community of Batavia, N.Y. It is located between Buffalo and Rochester.

I popped over to it last night. The lead story?

Online Exclusive: Spider Lamp from Max Pies at a $101 savings

So I tweeted the following to Niles:

@robertniles What's really important to democracy is a good price on spider lamps - http://is.gd/19OzH. Nothing that costs is truly free.

This seemed to rankle Mr. Niles. When I woke up this morning, I saw the following:

robertniles @billdinTO My loyalties are with people like @howardowens who are building new news businesses, not with cranks wishing for the past.

My responses were as follows:

@robertniles My, my! If using one's news space to flog lamps while saying news should be considered 'free' is the future, then ...

@robertniles you dodged this 'Nothing that costs is truly free.' You're making me think the future is being built on a foundation of sand.

I suspect Owens must have been referring to me when he wrote this:

howardowens Why are some journalists so irrationally insane when the topic of paid content comes up? Completely out of touch with reality.

I charitably responded with the following:

billdinTO Why do some 'journalists' dodge the question of how news gets paid for? Completely out of touch with reality.

If you want to impress me, show me why my argument is wrong. If you want me to have a less-than-respectful opinion of you, dodge my questions/points and resort to ad hominem attacks.

However, the bigger point is the 'news wants to be free' crowd seems to be divorced from the reality that 'good journalism costs money to produce.' Hence, the 'dream world' part of my headline.

If there's no line between advertising and news in a new-world-order publication such as The Batavian, then that shows the cost of 'free' news.

'Free' news, supported only by advertising, is going to have to be really, really cheap to produce. The Toronto Star story on dangerous bacteria levels in soft ice cream? I suspect the futuristic Batavians won't be doing those types of stories.

Call me a crank who's clinging to the past (even though I've worked exclusively in online arms of news organizations since 1997), but I think communities will lose if those types of stories don't get produced by the new news businesses.

Afterward

Howard Owens expanded on the thoughts he made in the comments below in a June 24 post entitled Newspapers started small, cheap and with different standards.

I noticed it on June 26 and tossed up a reply of my own: Rationalizing a retreat to a time of much lower j-standards